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This is not true.

Even in the most cataclysmic scenarios, scientists project Sea level to rise 2m by 2100, and most of Florida is above that level.

https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/what-are-best-and-worst-case...


As a researcher in this general area I would not say 2m by 2100 is a consensus view of the worst case scenario see [1].

Here is a useful scenario for understanding what different SLR scenarios mean for the states [2]

[1] https://www.ipcc.ch/srocc/chapter/chapter-4-sea-level-rise-a...

[2] https://coast.noaa.gov/slr/

("most of the Florida peninsula will be under water in 50-100 years" is certainly not true, however, Miami would be in a very difficult spot at 2m SLR)


Your link implies less than 2m, strengthening my point?

I said 'even in the most cataclysmic scenarios'


Yes, I was agreeing with you. I apologize for being unclear.

The problem with South Florida isn't that the sea level will rise enough to directly flood everything with seawater but rather with drainage of rainwater. There is already only a small gradient for rainwater to drain off into the ocean. If the ocean level rises even a little then drainage slows and flooding increases. The whole region sits on a karst substrate so dikes aren't effective; they'll need active pumping.

Ok, well 'most of the Florida Peninsula' is significantly above 2m elevation.

Yes, what's your point? That doesn't refute the prediction that even a slight sea level rise will cause more frequent flooding in South Florida due to slower drainage of rainwater.

My point is I was replying to a comment that said most of Florida will be underwater in 2100, which is not true, as I said.

What is your point?


My point is that while most of Florida won't be constantly underwater in 2100, significant parts of it will be underwater more often than they are now unless there are major, expensive upgrades to flood control infrastructure. While the original claim might have been overstated there are likely serious problems coming that will hit Florida harder than most other states.

This is a very obviously biased argument that both sides make about themselves.

The AfD literally published a manifesto of new and notably more conservative policy goals in 2017.

They do not claim to have the political stance of Germany 25 years ago, they themselves say that they are something new (For example, point 1 is an adoption of Swiss-style direct democracy, which is a notable shift to the right).

I encourage you to think much more deeply than "I saw this meme and it resonated with me," because the same is true of the American Tight, despite Elon's claim (Regan, for example, was very famously against Tariffing Canada).


> For example, point 1 is an adoption of Swiss-style direct democracy, which is a notable shift to the right

Since when did direct democracy became a right wing concept?


>Since when did direct democracy became a right wing concept?

It's intended to make Parliament powerless (when you read the document, I'm sure you saw that part), so, I'd say it became a right wing concept when it was proposed by a far-right political party in 2017 to move Germany to the right.

You may be interested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority


So next time if a far right political party suggest that everyone should eat vegetables for good health, then eating vegetables becomes a far right concept?

Controlling what people eat is definitely authoritarian/right-wing.

For a historic example, you may be interested in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Grain

Maybe try a different example to make your point?


That’s like the dumbest take ever. Then all the veganism movement for the sake of climate must be right wing as well.

How about the grass is green logic? If the right wing parties started saying that grass is green and that’s the nature then anyone saying the same thing is right wing as well? Like how dumb are you? Don’t you have a brain to think than being brainwashed by left ideological nonsense?


Please don't break HN rules.

Where's @dang when you need him?

I'm as smart/dumb as anyone else on here and I'm sorry this conversation turned into whatever this is.


Just a reminder that AI models' actions are reflections of the text humans write and the more we fret and make up doomsday scenarios that we then post online, the more likely a model is to do those things.

https://alignment.anthropic.com/2026/teaching-claude-why/


Related reading:

The Waluigi Effect: After you train an LLM to satisfy a desirable property, then it's easier to elicit the chatbot into satisfying the exact opposite property.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/D7PumeYTDPfBTp3i7/the-waluig...


The AI is getting bad morals from listening to that dreadful rock and roll

Sounds just like the fantastical nonsense that comes out of Lesswrong.

Do you make the claim that AI is something more than a reflection of its training data?

I'm curious what other things you would argue influences an LLM's behavior.

I am also generally one to trust the claims of the people who train the models, though you're welcome to the highly improbable belief that they operate in a fantasy world.


Do you think it’s a good idea to self censor because someone might scrape your comment and feed it to an AI?

I think being thoughtful and baseline positive about the way we predict the future in popular media is a good idea.

Nihilism isn't good in and of itself, so I'm not sure what you're arguing society would lose if we actively chose to be less nihilistic.


Part of the epstein class, dont forget.

They could filter what they train on if they wanted to - they just don't want to.

If the alignment process cannot fix this then we are cooked. The least of our worries is discussions on this forum.

I mean, you're not wrong, but by that logic we were done for even before we had digital computers.

And isn't that the great lesson of AI?

The things we say publicly actually do matter and the post-modern descent into absurdity and nihilism has tangible negative consequences?


> The things we say publicly actually do matter

Certainly

> the post-modern descent into absurdity and nihilism has tangible negative consequences?

You mean breaking AIs? Not much of a lesson.


Oh come on. It's also trained on fiction work. Shall we refrain from posting sci-fi stories too, now that we're there, just in case the AI might want to try it out?

Obviously we can and do whatever we want, but yeah, maybe being more optimistic generally would be a good thing for us.

>The number of members with GH claims per 10,000 beneficiaries under age 18 rose steadily from 5.1 in 2001 to 14.6 in 2016, without a dramatic change around 2003, the ISS approval date.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6795021/

Just as a reminder for everyone here, 0.14% of US children (+3x in a decade) are given Human Growth Hormone because they are short. Our government says that being in the bottom 2 percentiles is a medically valid condition to be treated with hormones.

Differentially focusing your emotional response on sex-expression hormone therapy vs. hormone therapy generally is reflective of bias.


I think a lot of us HN-types are people who like to post riddles like this instead of news about what actually happened.


>And no, HN is not social media in any normal sense of the word. The pedantry involved in that comparison is extremely tiresome.

The amount of times I've read a very thoughtful article only for the comments to be political drivel (the worst was peak-COVID SF discourse) weakens your argument quite a bit.

It's even more foolish to think outside forces aren't using bots/tech to sway the discourse.

Just because it's not engineered for the mainstream's dopamine addiction doesn't mean it doesn't do the same thing.


>Why would you?

Because the fundamental building block of society (which we are losing rapidly) is some amount of care for your fellow person.

Your comment is a great example of how we Prisoner's Dilemma'ed ourselves into a world of isolation and decaying institutions.


>There is only one market that large: the global labor market.

This isn't even close to true and it's kind of the central thesis of this article.

Saudi Aramco has consistently been a $2tn company in the oil market.

Walmart is a $1tn-ish company focusing on a fraction of US retail.

It also ignores the idea that the economy is not zero sum and companies create their own market/economic value all the time.


And "grow the pie" ignores the reality that the distribution of benefits is often "150% to capital, -50% to labor" because capital isn't held accountable for displacing labor and labor suffers displacement risk without compensation.

This would be fine if the money reliably trickled down, but it doesn't. This would be fine if we used redistributive policy to make it right, but we don't.


What does aramco, Walmart valuation has to do with global labor market? That is much bigger than these companies. Also, companies create their own market but that does not mean average people will be benefited from that. AI companies can just bypass the labor market once its done and can have contract with the extremely rich companies or governments around the world.


It is an extremely weak argument to just post the links.

Please supply actual instances of the supposed bias.


You and OP are both unnecessarily diminishing what 'glorified search' is.

If you had told me that in 2015, we would have a tool that can iteratively search the world's best and largest unstructured database and synthesize outputs in language (any natural and structured language), I would have said that is basically AGI.

This whole desire for it to 'reason' (autonomously prime its search with a few thousand token) and 'think' (search for the best information within its parameters and synthesize that with its context) is semantic and will feel irrelevant as the technology progresses and we become more used to what these things are actually doing.

I honestly struggle to imagine what AGI will be if not an ever-improving semi-structured database (parametric or otherwise) that we become increasingly good at searching.


If that’s really the case, then I’d say 2015 you needed to do more reading and thinking about AGI and the nature of intelligence and consciousness. The Chinese Room thought experiment is a good starting point for thinking deeper about what AGI is.

But really, I have trouble grasping how anyone can really think database searching is intelligence. For starters, I’d say the capacity to learn on the fly with relatively poor input data is a necessary condition for intelligence, and you can’t get that with database search.


Explain to me how 'learning on the fly' is different than iterative self-prompting.

Maybe me today would say you need to do some more research and thinking on how LLMs work?


Like the Turing test, the Chinese Room says more about humans than it does about machines.


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