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For TTS I launched this like this week based on a Reddit thread of recommendations, added a new one to it.. I want to say on Wednesday, but this week has been a blur. Problem I’ve found with similar sites is I can’t run a lot of the models, or the results are beyond stale.

But this is only stuff I can run locally, or it’s a cloud model.

So.. This is good for right now!

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Added it to my blind TTS model comparison leaderboard. So far Darwin TTS is the open model leading the pack, ElevenLabs is at the lead.


Is Darwin TTS from Fish Audio? It wasn't clear when I searched for it.


awesome! will look into Darwin TTS. super interesting

512GB memory available in October. Stellar move, Apple.


$18,299 ... sigh


I know. It hurts. But I have the feeling that you get what you pay for.

The purchase cost of H100 or B200 systems with comparable VRAM is a one order of magnitude higher. Although I can only guess how much lower the token/sec output of the Mac Studio will be. Probably 2-3 magnitudes lower?

While a cluster has to work with many users simultanously, and is a good investment for a company, perhaps the Mac Studio will be a good use case for a personal larger LLM deployment configuration.

Perhaps someone has the token/sec numbers for larger models running on older Mac Studios?


Back of the envelope is that compute doesn't matter for inference, only memory access speed matters. Tokens/sec is going to be in the ballpark of how much time it takes for the compute element to read the entire model. So you can give GBtok/sec (sec = seconds, GB gigabyte size for the chosen quantization)

Q8 is a nice quant for this calculation, since 1 byte = 1 weight, so Qwen 27B Q8 will be the tok/secGB value divided by 27, and Deepseek V4 Flash 162B, by 162.

NVIDIA B200: 8,000 GBtok/sec

NVIDIA H100: 3,350 GBtok/sec

NVIDIA A100: 2,039 GBtok/sec

NVIDIA RTX 5090: 1,792 GBtok/sec (deepseek only fits at Q2 or less)

Apple M5 Ultra: 1,200 GBtok/sec

NVIDIA RTX 5060 Ti: 448 GBtok/sec (deepseek doesn't even fit at Q1)

Apple M5 Pro: 307 GBtok/sec (can do deepseek only at Q4 or less, at maxed out sped)

Apple M1 Pro: 200 GBtok/sec (can do deepseek only at Q2 or less, at maxed out sped)

Apple M6: 170 GBtok/sec (can do deepseek only at Q2 or less, at maxed out sped)

So a base model apple M6, Qwen3.8 Q8 = 170/26 tok/s = 6 tok/s (or 12 tok/s at Q4), and a B200 will do ~40 times that, or 240 tok/s. Which is kind of sad as a base model M1 pro will beat it comfortably despite 6 years of chip advancements. To add insult to injury an M1 pro ... is cheaper secondhand.


Liquidity providers like Jane Street, Citadel, et al make money on the spread. They also buy order flows from integrators, and retail investor order flows are now a product.

i.e. retail investor → brokerage platform → clearing/execution infrastructure → Jane Street → payment back toward the brokerage side of the chain.

Who captures the economic value created by retail order flow?

Jane Street.

In an ideal market, this product line shouldn't exist. Institutional investors should not be making money on the activity of retail investors.

What incentives determine where that flow is sent, and would investors receive better execution if their orders were exposed to genuinely competitive price formation rather than privately internalised by a concentrated group of wholesalers?

The regulators should be squashing any HFT related or retail order flow, but it's so opaque _by design_ that getting policymakers, or the general public, to understand that retail investors are paying some portion of tax on their $20T USD annual trades to these companies.

Granted, these order flows _sometimes_ work the other way -- and retail users get a better deal on a trade.. But would you really expect the market to be worth what it is, if that was the case less more often than not?

There is a clear and obvious conflict: the broker is supposed to seek the best execution for the customer while potentially being paid by the firm receiving that customer’s order. How can that be, when the broker's in bed with the liquidity providers?


PFOF and HFT are distinct concepts, but they are widely conflated in this thread. I don't agree that PFOF is inherently bad, but even if it were: it is not a valid criticism of HFT.


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Cmd+Option+I > Console > 'allow pasting'

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Also, warning:

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Thanks for bringing this up and trying it out! We've disabled Cmd+Option+I in the new version and also have a message during signup about sharing chats with Bullet, let us know if you run into any other issues!


> We've disabled Cmd+Option+I in the new version

Bulletproof.


Truly built on vibes.


We're optimizing every day :)


> We've disabled Cmd+Option+I

OP was providing a userful tips to users, and they weren't giving you a bug report to remove it. If anything, they were suggesting you remove a login-wall.

But now that you blocked the inspector tool, you'll find it harder for users to report bugs. Unless of course those are automatically shared too? /s


We're actively working on implementing a guest mode feature right now for users that don't want to make an account. For reporting bugs, we have an in-app feedback form. Bugs are not automatically shared.


what does signing up get you? Since it seemed to work without an account and OPs workaround?


I guess the question is; is this the late-cycle cash-out (aka harvest pricing) akin to Sun Microsystems at the dot-com peak -- or is it a repeat of the crypto pricing hijinks we've already seen from Nvidia, where they're just exploiting the lack of supply?

That's a 90% uplift since the original pricing, in a market that is already showing signs of seizing.

With Apple offering leasing options, CXMT knee-capping Samsung, all of the big tech players on a run to outspend on CapEx by the end of the year..

We're at a point where local models are exceptionally capable, model-on-silicon dies like Taalas (recently acquired by AMD) may be cutting inference cost substantially for the 90% of work we do day-to-day (similarly Alibaba's T-Head division with open-model-forward inference chips being produced domestically in China).

If we shifted all of the design/planning to cloud models like Fable 5/Sol 5.6 Ultra, and day-to-day operational inference to these chips -- it's quite likely we'll squash usage to single-digit percentages of what we're currently using. But we should also expect the model providers to take a similar approach.

In any case -- I'm keen on demand destruction, both as a consumer and someone without skin in the game.


It makes you wonder to what degree they are making more money by raising the prices and restricting supply absent meaningful competition, or, alternatively, by making them in volume until they can supply the total demand. The lack of competition is probably a big part of the problem, but then again, that competition might just increase the price as well if it existed. AMD really could make a killing if they got off their assess and properly supported their cards (and made them competitive performance wise, which is probably a really hard thing for them to do).


i think maybe by pricing up they want to make a reliance for people on their services rather than developing running their own. if these devices are out of reach for many it means less innovation and then less competition. nvidia is now tightly coupled financially to business who offer services that owners of such devices might replicate without using services of their partners.


In my experience, program requirements are mostly there for the lawyers.

If you act in good faith, communicate clearly, and conduct yourself reasonably, most companies will work with you — even when you've technically wandered outside the neat boundaries of their risk-appropriate, regulatory-reviewed policy.

That isn't protection, of course. Eventually you'll encounter a bounty program run primarily by lawyers, procurement, or someone optimising a graph trend-line.

And we know what tends to happen next.

Those programs, and organisations, develop reputations. Researchers talk. Companies get discussed at conferences, in private groups and across the community, and some become informally blacklisted.

Microsoft is a useful recent example: researchers have publicly walked away from five-figure bounties to make a point. There are excellent people working there, but organisationally Microsoft has repeatedly struggled to engage with the security community in a way that feels collaborative, rather than adversarial. Unless you're one of their paid partners, intermingled in their ecosystem.

A lot of that seems to come down to incentives: somebody, somewhere, wants the numbers to look better.

That doesn't work particularly well in an industry that, like most industries, ultimately runs on relationships, trust and specialisation.

If a company marks something critical as informational, sometimes the most effective response is a CVSS parameter argument. It's a snarky comment:

"Okay — so if I find a way to abuse your own infrastructure to message your customers, trigger a major incident and create regulatory problems for your clients, you'd prefer I treat that as informational too, and instead just report it to regulators?"

Surprisingly often, that gets the issue reconsidered.

Have you annoyed an analyst? Maybe. Does it matter? Probably not. Neither of you will remember the exchange a week later, but you might have corrected a bad risk decision on their side and you'll see a positive outcome on your side. Mistakes happen.

I generally advise companies and hackers alike to follow Kiwicon's #1 rule.


I've disclosed vulns across just about every industry — banking, healthcare, oil & gas, government, cybersecurity, etc -- and to some of the largest companies in the world, OpenAI, Salesforce and Google. I've been doing this for nearly 20 years.

Most of my research starts with: _There is absolutely no way this works_. Then it works.

I've been thinking that a lot more lately.

Companies and hackers are both heavily incentivised to reduce the friction involved in vulnerability disclosure, particularly for large organisations. The platforms are good enough now. They're email in 2007: imperfect, occasionally frustrating, but substantially better than what came before.

They make SLAs possible. They provide structure and administration. Things still go wrong — companies stop responding, analysts drop the ball, hackers can be idiots — but the model basically works.

Decentralising disclosure again would make life significantly harder for individual hackers. We'd end up back on email, probably building email-powered bounty CRMs that consume a small country's worth of tokens just to keep track of everything.

For smaller organisations, though, I wouldn't touch a public bounty platform with a 10-foot pole. Run a private program first (through the platform). Having been on the receiving end of beg bounties, automated scanner output and increasingly AI-generated slop, most smaller security teams simply cannot scale to absorb the noise.

The more interesting way to think about these platforms is that they're becoming the LinkedIn of hacking.

For hackers, the path is fairly straightforward: build a rep through useful -- but oftentimes unsolicited disclosures, get invited onto private programs, and gradually establish a profile with a strong signal-to-noise ratio.

For companies, they're increasingly a recruiting and relationship-building tool.

And for the platforms, I think there's a much larger opportunity for them in community.

They should be significantly better at understanding hackers: what they're good at, what technologies interest them, which industries they understand, and where they're located. Today, that profiling is laughably poor, to the point the questionnaires on areas by these large platforms are out of date by several years.

Then use the data.

Run small, highly targeted events: state- or city-based meetups, lunch-and-learns, product launches, bounty program launches and technical briefings. They don't need huge sponsorship budgets or prize pools. They need the actual community involved. Pay for dinner, sponsor a talk.

A lot of existing events seem to start with companies, sponsorship packages and monetary amounts, then work backwards. I think that's backwards.

As a weekend hacker, I'm far more likely to spend time on a program because something about it is interesting: you're launching an AI feature, handling financial data in a new way, using Node/GCP/a TI-82 calculator, or exposing some weird technical surface I want to understand.

And I'm far more likely to build a useful relationship with a company if I can actually meet the people behind the program. Hackers can provide much better feedback than a semi-generated report, and companies can explain far more than a stale domain list and scope document — which, realistically, we'll be ignoring 99.99% of the time anyway.. Unless it's government. I quite like my freedom.


They work with HFT/quant firms. Look at some of their former engineers who are now at matX.

Intel/Barefoot Tofino 2, VHDL/SystemVerilog, FPGA, QSFP28 (100GbE networking), P4 programming.

Their buyers don’t have customer stories. They don’t sell to SaaS companies.


    > They don’t sell to SaaS companies.
Is this true? If so, how do you know? I have listened to almost of their podcasts. I don't recall them saying there are any type of customer they refuse to sell to. They told a funny story about a sales call with a US national laboratory. They went into the call assuming they would be asking for supercomputer. Instead, they learned they need a bunch of regular rack compute, not all supercomputers.

Also, the OP did not say they are a SaaS company. They only said they spend 900K USD per year with AWS.


More like the rack isn't viable for SaaS.


Do you have any evidence for this claim? Or, can you explain why it isn't viable for SaaS?


I also think they work with government customers. I saw an open job position on their website requiring TS/SCI security clearance and full scope polygraph.


I believe JPL and INL were their launch customers for gov.


Data theft (i.e. taking corporate IP) was normalised until very recently (I'd say the last 2-3 years with the rise of the adoption of DLP and public litigation). A few examples I can think of thing I've heard _just_ in my own career; terabytes of client data taken by a former consultant, sales reps that joined _solely for the purpose_ of taking this quarter's leads and then ghosting the company, execs forcing the use of their buddy's startup/consultant/vendor (and then they later join the startup/consultancy/vendor). The latter being _the most common_. If you're a large company, your sales pipeline is so valuable to startups -- and from a single consultant perspective the ROI of ripping off your sales data is _insane_.

I think back to the questionable things _I've_ done that _don't_ amount to data theft, but _should have_ caused someone to probably kick off an incident/investigation.. But they didn't.

- git cloning every repository in the company (who am I kidding, I do this in _every_ company

- airdropping stuff to my personal phone (my profile photo, but it could have been the aforementioned git repos)

- using sharedrop/similar services (to copy my RSS/news feeds, favourites bars) from my work laptop

- enumerated staff/ops dashboards/tooling to get shit done (think: enumerating the CRM before Lazarus and Lap$u$ made it cool)


It used to be a thing that dev were keeping source code and all in old time.

I remember a manager during an internship telling me to do clean code because later I might have to reuse piece of code in further work experiences. It was the time when code was shared with zip and so or net shares.

At that time there wasn't that many "software shop" and it was just a way to do things in other company like hardware manufacturers. Obviously you would have been trusted not to take or disseminate or reuse company trade secret or coffee things like expected by your non competition clause in your contact anyway.

Since then, a lot of company became like "software production" company and developers are now considered like factory workers.

And in some way I would say that you are nowadays robbed of your code and there isn't even attribution anymore.

Look, in the 80/90s it was more common to know the name of the main dev of major companies, and their contributions were clearly attributed to them. But now you will very very rarely know the dev that did the code for anything. Top manager/architect/... Might be recognized but not really for their code contributions.


You’re so right, I totally forgot how normalised it was to take common functions and classes and factories. I guess ultimately, it was all worthless anyway thanks to LLM’s.

I actually recall the lead engineers in my department coming into work on their last day with a harddrive. The same people who had access to national databases, and production systems that impacted the majority of the country’s population. That simply wouldn’t happen today.

Although I’m not someone who’s dealing with PCB schematics or bleeding edge IP.


I guess I’m a dummy, I always deleted all cloned repos from companies I ever worked with. I’ve always been way too terrified to keep anything company related


Oh this was on company issued devices, I don’t keep the source code! I was just explaining how this is something that probably should have triggered an investigation, but didn’t.


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