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Seems like it’s easier to lose our rights than defend them. It shouldn’t be.

The way Trump has exercised power and ignored the law should be a real wake up for everyone. Imagine if we had a competent dictator? We’d be in real trouble.


> Imagine if we had a competent dictator? We’d be in real trouble.

We just might. After a Democrat comes into office, gets blamed when the really bad consequences of Trump's policies manifest and gets run out on a rail, Republicans will sweep with a "return to traditional, serious business Conservatism" candidate who will really just be the next phase of Trumpism. I don't believe for a second that these people haven't been laying the groundwork for keeping the movement going after Trump.

After all, half the country still believes in everything Trumpism represents, they just want a President to follow through.


I'm not looking forward to president Tucker Carlson :-/

Strongly agree. Perhaps an economy shouldn’t be organized around money.

How would you propose an economy not be organized around money? Any examples you could think of that have worked well? I would also ask that in doing so if you can consider how these changes would work with today's nation states and the scale of 8 billion people or so too.

Regardless of what answers there are to an alternative (there are many, with both flaws and benefits that could work better or could be worse in practice), the question “how would it work at scale” is probably impossible to answer thinking in the framework of what currently exists. The people who benefit from the existing systems would make it impossible for anything else without disrupting power, which, if you view an economy built around profit as something that could not be sustainable into the far future, could be necessary.

This comment isn’t trying to be biased any specific way, just trying to be realistic while also saying alternatives exist but would likely be disruptive for better or for worse.


What will happen is not about what people prefer to happen or not. China grew rapidly too and the west is fearful of their success and that is why Americans are ramping up their Ai and drones and all that believing that spending money will deliver supremacy. There are/were many paths to success traditionally speaking and somethings will work and somethings wont. It is not a decision based phenomena. Its an outcome based on zillions of variables. Whether money will win or not and that everyone will benefit via AI is matter of conjecture.. Who knows.. Place your bets!!

I’m not sure people in the west are scared of China. I think it’s more so about the method in which they grew their economy. The downside for China’s model is the west can simply not buy their products except where required so there’s nothing to really be scared of.

What’s to be scared of anyway? Isn’t China a peaceful nation that abides by international law?


Absolutely not.

The PRC has land claims against almost every bordering country, which are many in number. It does wolf warrior diplomacy, surreptitiously moves border posts, and so on.

It also pretends to abide by international treaties but when a ruling against their absurd claims in the South China Sea were refuted, they rejected the ruling.

In the age of AI it uses from the same playbook as Russia to sow discontent and create internal conflict within countries in Asia.

It captures and kills dissidents abroad.


I find answers to this question meet idealogical hand waving more than concrete action plans or examples of success. YMMV

Let's start with the basics. Let's ban unlimited money from politics first (ban SuperPacs and return to 90s era political rules).

If rich people want to influence politicians, there should be hard caps on money and advertising.

There's nothing wrong in saying too much money is now destroying too much of the good parts of our country. Starting one step at a time is better than trying to build a massive reform that goes no where.

Once money in politics calms down, the next steps should become more obvious as the noise from the Billionaires no longer drown out our attention.


Perhaps you meant "financialization" instead of "money", b/c money is literally what makes up an economy.

No, labour and resources are what makes up an economy. The money is "only" the primary mediator

You can have billions in nominal units but it is inflated to worthlessness when resources or labour disappear


> The money is "only" the primary mediator

I have nothing to say to this sort of disingenuous characterization.


economy != money, economies have existed before markets have existed

If everyone votes, this will be overturned in a couple years.

What good is agency without power?

Time on page is an SEO thing.

Yeah. I just didn't expect this from something like IEEE.

This is all just more IPO hype. The suits eat this shit up because they don’t use the tech heavily themselves and thus don’t realize the limitations. Reminds me a lot of the Dotcom boom.

Is this sarcasm? Serious question. At least half of HN is autistic. Anywhere there’s friction there’s a market opportunity. Everyone knows that. So this must be sarcasm.

That’s more about power than shame. When people feel powerless imposing on others is one of the only ways they can take a semblance of power back.

This is really nice for people who read books and want to ditch carrying around a mini tablet or e-reader, I just wish it had the camera array of the iPhone Pros.


> Why are we doing this again?

Because Donald Trump is mentally ill, and it’s time we start talking about it as a Nation.


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