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I find that the people who are most concerned about circular financing in the case of AI, are those who fearmonger about deflation and talk about the importance of monetary velocity for the economy.

Isn't this a contradiction?


I'm not saying this situation is different from all of the other technological paradigm shifts in history.

But what concerns me is that authors of articles such as this feel no need to differentiate themselves from other anti-technology arguments in history.


To be fair, many of the old anti-technology arguments were correct. We lived with the consequences, but life also went on.

Depends on what you mean by correct. Do you think the world would be better if those anti-technology people succeeded and the technologies did not come to be?

A world without steam engines, cars, computers, printing presses.


Possibly for some things and possibly not for others. It's hard to say. The upsides and downsides are very apples-and-oranges.

The point isn't that the world would be objectively better in every case, but rather that the arguments of "anti-technology people" are frequently rational (and often don't even necessitate an elimination of the technology in question), and using their name as a cudgel as if they were cavemen is a low-quality rhetorical trope haunting all conversation about writing that is critical of AI.

It's also a distraction. If the topic is AI, then it's better to simply talk about the ups and downs of AI than the ups and downs of e.g. cars.


Indeed it is, so it would be bad to just "resist ai"

Predictions and prescriptions are different things. E.g. they said that recorded music would cause fewer people to sing and perform in their own homes. This happened, but we're all largely just fine with it.

I think it is very much different. Previous revolutions allowed us to fall back from manual labour to more mental driven work. Now even this is not going to be an option. Soon we're going to be reduced to be useful for spare parts only.

This is only the case for the Industrial Revolution.

There have been many other thinking technologies and they ALL have been attacked in exactly the same way.

* Socrates attacked the invention of writing, arguing it would make people intellectually lazy.

* Abbot Johannes Trithemius argues in "In Praise of Scribes" in the 15th century that the Gutenberg machine would make people intellectually lazy.

* Lots of people in the 1960s attacked punch card computers, and automation in general (!), on the basis that it would make people intellectually lazy.

* Nicholas Carr attacks Google in a famous article "Is Google Making Us Stupid?", on the basis that it would make people intellectually lazy.

And so on and so on and so on.

"That which has been is what will be, And there is nothing new under the sun."

It is because of this history that any argument such as the author makes, arguing that AI would make people intellectually lazy, must start already from the lamentation of the downfall of human intelligence from the days of Socrates, or must explain why this is different.

It is obviously not different.

There are three mental skills being offloaded onto AI:

1. Domain-specific skills

2. General intelligence (g)

3. Recall

Of these three, the danger with 1 is offloading them too early, before the AI is "good enough" to be better than human experts. This is a genuine concern and we should do things carefully. However, if the AI is good enough, there is no danger here.

Recall is the mental skill that all of these innovations have "hurt", but it can simply be trained explicitly and synthetically. We will certainly have to structure our societies more and more in the future to synthetically exercising recall (like we're now synthetically exercising our muscles), but if we do this, offloading recall at work is not a big issue.

As for general intelligence, this is the most harmless to offload, because, as far as I know from the literature, it cannot really be trained, and it does not really degrade either.


"If AI is good enough there is no danger" ?? Who's going to be validating the AI expertise after the experts are gone? Another AI? This is a downward spiral into oblivion and worst case, obsolescence.

The way the transformers work, getting to the point 1 will probably never be possible - more likely that the capital will just say it is good-enough "in the name of profits" and legislate to protect AI companies against any litigation from AI made mistakes. To a certain extent it is happening already - and all the IP and Copyright theft for model training has been brushed aside already. Yes there are few odd lawsuits here and there but they will be inconsequential and soon forgotten.

Recall is already being massively affected. I see it in our teams at work and I am also affected myself to a point. I very much doubt there will be a massive restructure of societies to allow us to work our brains out - mental gyms. They do exist now, in various chess clubs and are not that popular - that this will become a norm is a wishful thinking, and anyway, we will be too busy fighting one another for the last few remaining jobs.

General Intelligence without Recall and those hard acquired Domain-specific skills means nothing really - just our bioware defaults.


1. I don't know, Transformers seem to be pretty good at those Domain specific skills.

2. I'm sure mental gyms will become common, although I'm not sure if chess is a very good mental gym. It may take a hundred years or so, though.


Why would they need to differentiate? You're implying those arguments were wrong?

The argument usually isn't "I believe X will not happen," it's usually either "I believe X should not happen" or "I believe we should manage how X happens".


> feel no need to differentiate themselves from other anti-technology arguments

Why should they? Other "anti-tech" arguments include

- Concern about global warming/pollution

- Resistance to nuclear/chemical warfare

It's not just, or even primarily, that anti-tech arguments are the equivalent of 'cameras will steal souls'.


It's just a local minimum. Things today are generally pretty good, and work generally well.

The only issue is that things work well all in the same way, and deficiencies are also shared.

Things will improve as creatives try far-out ideas outside of the local minima. But all those ideas will then be copied into the mono-thing.

At the end of the day, if this isn't about art, I don't see the issue. If your website exists to perform a function, I would rather it looks and acts like all of the other websites in the world.


Apple and Mistral are not in the same market.

Siri is a minor part of the Apple ecosystem. Fundamentally, it can call into a better LLM provided by a better company. Siri's only utility is that it has access to your iData and can control your iDevices.

Apple sells devices. They have benefited a lot from their devices being good (Apple Silicon).

Mistral sells LLMs. They would benefit from having good LLMs.


C is a low-level language for the current ISAs we have, though not for Itanium.

So the question is if we really want lower level ISAs. Probably not?

There are many ways in which our current ISAs are actually thoughtfully optimized for superscalar out-of-order processors. Just look at all of the big differences from 32 bit arm to 64 bit arm, which all exist to make execution faster on superscalar processors.

And yet they are still perfectly implementable in cheap microcontrollers. The Cortex-A53, available in boards for a little over $15, is a simple 2-wide perfectly in-order design, without a physical register page beyond the ISA register. Basically, it is a simple Pentium-type chip.

The Apple M chips are some of the most impressive feats of out-of-order superscalar micro-engineering ever. And yet both of these can run the same software with the same ISA. This is enormously valuable.

I fail to see how any sort of much lower level access to the machine would be portable across price ranges and microarchitecture generations. I also fail to see how it would provide a non-trivial speedup over C code pattern recommendations and targeted extensions (eg. vector extensions).


> I fail to see how any sort of much lower level access to the machine would be portable across price ranges and microarchitecture generations

That's the assumption that can be removed. GPUs don't have stable ISAs, and their assembly-like code gets recompiled for each microarchitecture.

In the Intel's world of prebaked machine code adoption of a wider set of SIMD instructions takes a decade+. In GPUs it's just a driver update.


Sure, but SIMD extensions and base ISA solve different problems.

As for GPUs, while the ISA is not constant, it's STILL C-ish running over a dynamic hardware scheduling layer.

Edit: To clarify, I have nothing against a closed ISA, I just don't see how making that ISA non-C-ish is valuable.


I've been thinking about this as well.

Certainly we will have mental gyms in the future.


I think they exist already... Crosswords, sudokus and puzzles have long been popular. Has the world also forgotten the brain training craze of the naughties?

Ethics aside, you can create an NGO with three people and do a lot of stuff in it's name that you can't do as a private individual or it would be a lot more expensive to do.

If everyone did this, it would stop being a special ability of some people.


> do a lot of stuff in it's name that you can't do as a private individual

Can you do murder? Otherwise I’m not interested.

Joking aside, what exactly could you do legally with an NGO?


> Can you do murder?

Only if it kills many people over the long time.


In the 90s a bunch of charities installed wells in Africa but didn't get them tested for water quality and poisoned whole villages.

Intent is such an interesting moral stance as opposed to actual outcomes.


I think the "intent" ( pun not intended) for "intent" to be a moral stance was to not discourage people from trying to do good things for fear they may do something bad and get in trouble or whatever.

In an ideal world this would be good but then of course it's ripe for manipulation because it's hard to prove one's intent


Stochastic murder, like selling oxycontin.

Bonus points: kids need lego? Buy it without VAT. Write it off as a "client demo asset"

To write something off means you need revenue to offset. Revenue that would be taxed...

Revenue is rarely taxed, usually only profit is. And it's easy to avoid it.

Yes, that's how the trick works. Profit is revenue minus expenses. By increasing expenses, you decrease profit, and therefore tax. But it only works if you had a profit before, because the government doesn't pay you back tax when you lose money.

This is not how VAT usually works.

As a company you collect VAT from your customers and pay VAT to your suppliers.

Depending on the resulting balance, you will either give back the amount of surplus collected VAT to your country/state/whatever or you will be provided with VAT credit.

VAT collection is different from a profit tax or other taxes.


> If everyone did this, it would stop being a special ability of some people.

More like only the little guy loses this ability


Places that have lots of trash around will vandalize an unsupervised robot.

Places that will leave alone an unsupervised robot don't have lots of trash around.

Entirely disjoint sets.


How are the two correlated?

Local wealth & social class. Also population density.

Are you suggesting that wealthy people litter less? Are you suggesting that wealthy people can not be vandals?

Or are you suggesting that common people are littering vandals?


> Are you suggesting that wealthy people litter less?

Yes. Well, middle class less than working class at least. And only on average. Also individual behaviour isn't the only factor - they also tend to live in wealthier less dense areas, where councils have more money to spend on keeping things tidy, and there are also people who do volunteer litter picking.

> Are you suggesting that wealthy people can not be vandals?

Obviously not.

> Or are you suggesting that common people are littering vandals?

Not even sure what you're trying to say here. You think I was suggesting that all lower class people are littering vandals? Lol.


In my experience: The poorer the neighbourhood the worse the trash, graffiti, broken windows etc.

People want streets cleaned. Not only will people not pay for that, they'll steal from anyone who tries to clean the streets.

114M a year buys you only 650 people? Damn. I really should be moving to America at some point :)

If anyone wanted to do the math, that's an average of 175k per person

It's 175k per person including all benefits. Which is probably like 140-150k per year before the myriad of employer-paid payroll taxes and before the employer-side pay for insurance plans.

That's about half total comp of juniors at any FANG.

Also it includes insurance and such that doesn't appear in TC

Disclaimer: I work for the wmf


FANG juniors make 350k+/year?

After factoring in employer taxes, employer side benefits costs, etc yeah that wouldn't surprise me.

Making = what employees earn gross, not the extra burdens on the employer that the government takes

People need to learn to use .git/info/exclude WAYYY more!

You use Cursor which creates .cursor? Cool! Put it in .git/info/exclude. No need to pollute the project .gitignore with that. .gitignore is for artifacts that arise from the natural building and testing of the software, as well as any scripts in the repo.


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